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    This forum deals with a newly discovered method on allowing Windows XP to be booted off a USB stick. While several approaches exist, this one is customized by Emanuel

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    Postby Cornelius on Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:27 am

    Restoring image then replace usb files and edit the registry only didn't work. Still working.

    any suggestion?

    Can anyone send me modified ntdetect.com file also? My Email is: cornelius.a.h@gmail.com
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    Postby BitKiller on Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:11 pm

    had also the Problem with the Bluescreen.
    I formated the USB-Harddisk by a running XP, copied AUTOEXEC.BAT, bootfont.bin, CONFIG.SYS, IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, ntldr from a normal XP inclusive an emty boot.ini and the modified ntdetect.com into the root on the USB-Harddisk.
    After that I started the Installation.
    All worked fine!
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    Postby DJPaul on Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:08 pm

    can someone please send me the modified ntdetect file as well?
    If you do, I'll host it permanently on my server so others can download it. Thanks.
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    Just wanted to add

    Postby krusau on Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:56 pm

    I am having the same error that the fellow who posted the blue screen picture is having.

    I have just been trying to do this for the last 5 hours, so I am a little pooped :D

    But, I plan on trying again. Can anyone suggest where I can read to learn about this modified *.com file? How can it help with the problem we are having?


    Thanks!

    (And please, someone send that fellow asking for the .com file the file he is looking for. :) )
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    ntdetect.com

    Postby BitKiller on Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:59 pm

    is it legal to host that modified ntdetect.com?
    if that is illegal, i will delete follow link to download modified ntdetect.com:
    http://rapidshare.com/files/13647216/ntdetect.zip
    It was created by Dietmar, see http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php? ... +universal , Post #7
    have fun !
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    Postby DJPaul on Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:13 am

    great thanks, so do i just throw this in the C: root on the external hdd or do i have to put it in the winxp installation cd or what?
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    Forum error

    Postby krusau on Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:42 am

    Forum error
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    Forum error

    Postby krusau on Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:43 am

    Forum error
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    Good question

    Postby krusau on Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:43 am

    I want to know the same thing DJ is asking :P

    As an aside:

    DJ (or anyone else trying this), when you used the HP program to make the USB bootable, at any point, did the program say anything about formatting in NTFS?

    I keep seeing that mentioned in the tutorial, but that doesn't happen to me:


    Here is what does:

    I have a 450GB drive with some label (say F:)

    I use the HP program and just do the first option always (recommended).

    After about a minute, it says finished.

    Now the F: is gone, and there is a G: there,

    This G: has about 1.7Gb space (the rest of the external HD does not show up under 'my computer', but using disk management utilities that come with windows xp, i know that the rest of the 450Gb is still there under 'Unallocated').

    When I click the G:, it does not allow me to see what is inside, at this point, it forces me to format. It is at this point I choose to format to NTFS.

    Is this similar to what you are experiencing?

    Thanks so much everyone!
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    Postby BitKiller on Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:30 pm

    Replace ntdetect.com in the I386 installation folder with the modified one (not compressed!).
    Than the existig one on C: root on your external hdd will be overwritten on install, or installed if the disk was formated before.

    If you need a MBR disconnect all HD except the one you will install/overwrite. Start XP-CD and choose R-Button to start repair-console, when it shows "...C:\>" type (without quotes): "fixboot", skip warnings, and than type "fixmbr". Then type "exit" to restart PC - all done!

    @krusau:
    Why dont´t you use XP-formating? I choose NTFS, quickformating with 4096 Bytes on my extern HDD Samsung HM 120JC - 120GB, 2.5". It works fine for me. The HP program to make the USB bootable is written for USB-Sticks, therefore it can´t work fine on USB-HDD. Or is that wrong? The Startsectors are very difficulty.
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    Re: Good question

    Postby DJPaul on Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:32 pm

    I never used the hp program, i formatted it ntfs, and the computer boots to it, it tries to boot to winxp but cant... if i tell it to run in safe mode it does it WITHOUT A PROBLEM


    krusau wrote:I want to know the same thing DJ is asking :P

    As an aside:

    DJ (or anyone else trying this), when you used the HP program to make the USB bootable, at any point, did the program say anything about formatting in NTFS?

    I keep seeing that mentioned in the tutorial, but that doesn't happen to me:


    Here is what does:

    I have a 450GB drive with some label (say F:)

    I use the HP program and just do the first option always (recommended).

    After about a minute, it says finished.

    Now the F: is gone, and there is a G: there,

    This G: has about 1.7Gb space (the rest of the external HD does not show up under 'my computer', but using disk management utilities that come with windows xp, i know that the rest of the 450Gb is still there under 'Unallocated').

    When I click the G:, it does not allow me to see what is inside, at this point, it forces me to format. It is at this point I choose to format to NTFS.

    Is this similar to what you are experiencing?

    Thanks so much everyone!
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    Postby krusau on Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:07 am

    To Bitkiller:

    Hi,

    In the tutorial, he has this written:

    Reboot into your normal Windows, and get this HP tool , and use it to format your HDD completely. I chose NTFS format, worked fine everytime i tried. After this, my drives are recognized as valid installation devices by the Windows XP installer.


    Although the HP tool is said to be specific to Flash/Thumb drives, apparently it does work for HDDs.

    Here is where I am at:

    1) I plug in my normal 500GB hd, and the computer shows that it is the correct size. Then I run the HP tool, then the computer shows that my USB2 HDD is now only 1.7Gb. I am then forced to format (NTFS) this smaller section to put files into it (I find no format option in the HP tool)

    2) I use disk management (right click on my computer, click manage) and see that the rest of the USB2 HDD space needs to be reformatted. I also format this into NTFS.

    3) Now my HDD shows that it has a 1.7Gb active partition and a 400+Gb working partition.

    Emanuel does mention using partition magic to make the USB2 HDD an active partition, I don't know if what I have so far is a correct starting point. Any comments?

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    Yesterday I spent about 8 hours trying to figure out how to do this, after about 4 I find emanuel's awesome tutorial, but at this point, my HDD has some strange settings.

    Eventually what happened was that the 400+GB section of my HDD turned into bad sector :P So then I had to spend a couple hours (Ya I'm slow :D ) trying to figure out how to fix that.

    Well it's 'fixed' now, in that I think I can retry the tutorial, but I don't have much time today (have to go play at a concert). I think this will be a fun project if I can get this working eventually, and I am very patient.

    I hope I can learn a lot from you guys, you seem really smart! (I consider myself an intermediate computer user. I had no troubles following emanuels tutorial... I just hope I didn't make a typo in the ISO, haha).


    Until next time!
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    Postby BitKiller on Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:10 pm

    Hello!

    @krusau
    krusau wrote:To Bitkiller:

    Hi,

    In the tutorial, he has this written:

    Reboot into your normal Windows, and get this HP tool , and use it to format your HDD completely. I chose NTFS format, worked fine everytime i tried. After this, my drives are recognized as valid installation devices by the Windows XP installer.




    I dont´t use the HP tool, I prever WinXP formating-tool (see my Post from Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:30 pm).
    Is my english really so bad that krusau misunderstood me? If that is so I´m sorry !

    What would happen if you use the WinXP formating-tool for your 500GB hd instead the HP tool?

    You don´t discribe what mistake makes the WinXP formating-tool, also the reason why you don´t use it .

    krusau wrote:Emanuel does mention using partition magic to make the USB2 HDD an active partition, I don't know if what I have so far is a correct starting point. Any comments?


    You can also make an active partition under XP:
    I would delete the 1,7GB and 400+GB partition by windows disk management and create a primary new one and set it active (rightclick on the new partition, set active).
    Have you already tried this?
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    Thanks for the reply

    Postby krusau on Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:50 pm

    Hi!

    Thanks for the response.

    I found out what part of the problem was.

    The HP tool that emanuel has linked to was not the correct one. I found the correct one and have reformatted my hd with it, and I know about the solution of formating using windows XP install screen. I will try this very soon

    I am worrying though because I only have SP2 available, and I don't know if this will work (since emanuel only tested SP1).

    If it doesn't, I will have to hunt down some of the usb files that are needed.

    I will keep you posted, and thanks for the help.

    Bit: wenn du willst, du kannst auch auf Deutsch etwas sagen, ich habe in Deutschland ein mal studiert :P

    -k
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    Re: Thanks for the reply

    Postby BitKiller on Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:15 am

    Hello!

    krusau wrote:I am worrying though because I only have SP2 available, and I don't know if this will work (since emanuel only tested SP1).


    Don´t worry, be happy...
    I´ve integrated all servicepacks and relevantly hotfixes up to january- no problem.

    Dann wünsche ich Dir gutes gelingen, krusau!
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